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Raja Begum
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(11/24/01 1:59 pm)
Reply 		Too Bad if You're Not Our Type! -- SRF Guardians
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"[Guardians] know what the rules say, where the lines are drawn, and with a cocked ear and a sharp eye they are able to detect the smallest hint on non-compliance, the slightest degree of deviation, violation and transgression."



Daya Mata, Mrinalini Mata, and possibly Uma Mata and Cindy Davis are what are called Guardians according to the highly respected Keirsey Temperament Sorter. Not sure about Ananda Mata since she is so invisible to the public.

This is a long post, and when I submit long posts few respond to them. BUT this is information you don't want to pass up because it is a treasure trove of phrases and keywords which will lead you to insight. Let's what Keirsey has to say about Guardians.....



KEIRSEY QUOTED:

"Guardians seem drawn to the role of social protector, standing watch against the insecurities of life, searching for ways to defend -- both themselves and others -- against loss, defeat, and disappointment, but also against what many of them regard as the irresponsibility of human nature. "

"Guardians naturally assume the role of society's gate-keeper, standing guard at the door and keeping a watchful eye on the coming and going of the people under their jurisdiction. Those without proper credentials (outsiders) cannot be allowed through, those who ignore boundaries (trespassers) must be caught and reprimanded, and those who think they have the right just to barge in (gate-crashers) need to be stopped and expelled --- 'shown the door' as [they] tend to say."

"They are also inclined to caution others about the danger of committing moral transgressions --- 'It wouldn't be right to do that.' And when their warnings are ignored they are the most likely of all to chide or reprove the transgresssor, for they are reluctant to let others get away with much."

"Pessimistic in Looking Ahead" ....."Because so many of their efforts are holding actions, trying to maintain the status quo in fast-paced, ever-changing situation, Guardians have learned to expect the worst."

"Change for a Guardian is unsettling" Guardians are the " keepers of tradition, of custom, of continuity with the past.....the new, the improvised, and the innovative, seem almost an affront to time-honored traditions, and are certainly unsettling."

"Let us think of the Guardians as the Security Seeking Personality. "

Vocational Interest of Guardians: "... office work and clerical jobs -- keeping records, checking inventory, attending to correspondence, filing, accounting -- with the brightest of them becoming executives, adminisitrators, plant or office managers, CPA's, bankers, brokers, insurance underwriters..."

KS
Unregistered User
(11/24/01 3:58 pm)
Reply 		Guardians
Pretty right on concerning the guardians. These ladies seem to think of nothing else. The only real effort made is to “protect”. No effort to show love, compassion, or even to build the organization. Do you think those attending Convocation notice that it has hardly grown in 30 years? Star Trek conventions get more people. Of course there are many excuses about how special we are and how no one will understand us.

OK, it is no crime not to grow. However, the “millions will come” mantra is used to help convince people they are doing well! Didn’t Vishwananda make some kind of speech at Convo about how well they are doing too?

Unfortunately what they are using protecting is their own positions. The bad ladies are convinced that only they will be able to protect the work, only they have been chosen by God to lead, and therefore their positions need to be protected. The things they do with that justification are shameful.

The “vocation” references are a good match too. They are certainly a bunch of rule makers. Unfortunately they are not too smart or clever. They have overwhelming good will from the membership and they are squandering it on trivial stuff. 30 dedicated loving monastics leaving in the last year has opened the door and many will start to see them for what they are.

In the long run it will help SRF.

Rigiditananda
Unregistered User
(11/25/01 2:06 am)
Reply 		Did you try to change something in SRF?
Excellent posting RB, and KS response is right on.
What RB says, is the core issue of many, many disappointments. Interpersonal relationships with Guardians can become extremely difficult as soon as you want to innovate or change something. Has anyone tried to change anything in SRF? What was the result?

Sometimes I joke that typology is an exact science. Based on their type, I can predict how late a friend will come for dinner. For example, one of my friends is an INFP. His "P" (Probing factor) is very high, so I never rush when we have to meet. An hour late is normal for him!

If anyone of you has a Guardian wife or husband and wants to change something at home, surely understands what Keirsey is trying to say about Guardians disliking change. Nevertheless, Guardians are delightful people, honorable, responsible, devoted, loyal and so on. However, if you want to change something be prepare for a fight -- or just not even try!

There is one more thing about the Guardians which is crucial here -- they are not your best teacher in town, you know! Teaching, counseling, the social sciences are the strength of the idealists type. You need tremendous flexibility to educate and to offer good counseling. The guardians as Keirsey says, can do an excellent job in administration, as plant or office managers, CPA's, bankers, brokers, insurance underwriters and so on.

But in SRF the Guardians felt they had to be the "Keepers of the teachings too" -- to keep them pure! So, they not only administered but also ministered -- in writing! They wrote the lessons, and books, and obviously -- they are poor teachers -- and they created a mess with Master's ideas. They created the SRF paradigm based on "their" interpretations of Master's insights and ideas. So, no wander that now, such paradigm is rigid, extremist, unfriendly, tough minded, discourages creativity in many ways (remember that they do not like changes) and military minded. They should have allowed people like Mukti Mata to write the teachings, perhaps Durga Mata, or even Kriyananda. But, they obsessed so much with the purity of the teachings (meaning: NO CHANGES OK!) so they wrote the lessons themselves. Unless the teachings are rewritten by real teachers, I can't see a solution to the SRF many, many, many, many, many , many issues.

Now we wander why we have so many problems in SRF.......It is so simple man. We are living a paradigm created by Guardians. If you are a Guardian you can survive; if you are not, they will eventually get rid of you, or you will get sick and leave. To stay in SRF you got to "follow the rules, and not try to change anything....

This is why it is so indispensable to learn about typology in order to understand what is going on in SRF. Again I recommend "Please understand Me" by David Keirsey. I insist, if we want to become good fighters in this war, we got to know the enemy.

This enemies are in fact friends in disguise of course, because in fighting them we could learn so many, many valuable things. We can develop self confidence and increase our differentiation. This could be a great opportunity to practice Karma Yoga and to serve Master and SRF. So, let us slain the paradigm!
Rigiditananda



Reporter
Unregistered User
(11/26/01 8:48 pm)
Reply 		Enemies = Friends
Rigid: Your comment about growth and learning, that enemies are often friends in disguise, is of course true. We are going to get the growth lessons we need and with a really good attitude we can often see trials in that light.

Do you think the bad ladies view the Walrus in that light?

All the discussion here about the Guardians is very obviously true. It is ironic that in their efforts to "keep the teachings pure" the very thing they did was immediately change things! Ma is supreme commander, Tara rewrote the books, Mrini is rewriting the Lessons (that were not Master's to begin with) and on it goes.

It appears the guardians are trying to protect us from knowing that we are just seeing the teachings through THEIR eyes. Protecting us from knowing they have already changed the teachings!

Remember the story the SRF ministers tell about how the Christian church changed Christ’s teachings to exclude reincarnation because they felt lowly humans were not ready for those ideals. The church knew best and so they changed things and drew power closer to themselves to “help people”.

History repeats with SRF! They are keeping the teachings pure? We are too immature to see the raw words of Master’s? SRF is still in the last yuga. They will be gone soon and at some point in the future devotees will look back at this time just like we look back on the Catholic church’s changes now.

Raja Begum
Unregistered User
(11/27/01 12:43 am)
Reply 		The Loyal Opposition
That's why we need to take decisive action now. Obviously we cannot stop the Matas from their course of action. They are superhumanly stubborn. And even if we were to cut them down to stumps, they would continue to rewrite Yogananda in their Guardian image with half a finger. This is why it's utterly necessary to force this issue into the open somehow --- so that future generations have a chance to see all sides of our guru.

SRF requires a loyal opposition.

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