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AumBoy
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(4/9/02 11:13 pm)
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Jesus & Horus
I used to wonder why some people were fascinated by Egypt and Horus. There is a Brother who has an incredible slide show on this subject. I stumbled across this recently and thought I'd share it. I'll follow up with more information later.

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Horus of Egypt

The stories of Jesus and Horus are very similar, with Horus even contributing the name of Jesus Christ. Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable in the mythos ("I and my Father are one" ). The legends of Horus go back thousands of years, and he shares the following in common with Jesus:

ˇ Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
ˇ He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old.
ˇ Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist."
ˇ He had 12 disciples.
ˇ He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
ˇ He walked on water.
ˇ Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
ˇ He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
ˇ He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc.
ˇ He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys" ).
ˇ Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
ˇ Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story.

In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis - the original "Madonna and Child" - and the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, who shares many qualities with Jesus and who existed as a deity long before the Jesus character was formalized. The Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced. Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to water to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier pagan mystery religions.

mangomoy
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(4/10/02 12:23 am)
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Welcome into the world of Joseph Campbell, who has written extensively about this. (You almost certaintly already know that) !!!

If you're not familiar with him, look in the library at some of the many books by Joseph Campbell, in which he discusses this exact story, and other similar stories from all over the world.

I like his discussions about the knowledge of the chakras & kundalini in ancient cultures all over earth, from China, all through Europe, Scotland, Africa, both North & South America, Pacific Islands, etc. It's diffused throughout the world, traceable back thousands of years.

Edited by: mangomoy at: 4/12/02 2:14:24 am
chrisparis
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(4/10/02 6:36 am)
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Well. Let's not forget Orpheus. Crucified, rose from the dead. There are even pictures of Orpheus on the cross that are virtually indistinguishable from Jesus. Then there's Llugh in welsh mythology, torn to pieces, thrown in a kettle and ressureted from the dead. And Horus' father Osiris was also betrayed by his brother Set, and rose from the dead. In fact, the story of the martyred god who rises from the dead is prevelant in pretty much all cultures. Many of the incidents in the life of Apollonius of Tyana are very similar to incidents in the life of Christ. Gnosis is the Way, the Truth and the Life!

redpurusha
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(4/11/02 11:28 am)
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Forgive my ignorance of who Horus is (never heard of him), but from the information provided here it looks like Jesus and Horus are the same person or what? or is this somebody's fiction?

chrisparis
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(4/11/02 1:41 pm)
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Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis. He was an Egyptian god. No, he and Jesus weren't the same person. There are lots of interesting theories about why the same images surface and re-surface in the way I mentioned in my last post. Some are religious, some anthropological. I will post a bit more tomorrow about what my own supposition is (hint, it's religious).

AumBoy
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(4/24/02 6:37 pm)
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Re: Jesus & Horus
Mangomoy,

I was not aware of Campbell's books until you mentioned them. I have come across other books revolving around the same subjects. I'll queue Campbell's though. Fascinating stuff. I feel like Master's busting my dogma and I'm loving it.

But before I get to Campbell, I'm looking into the King James version of the Bible, who compiled it (mainly Sir Francis Bacon) and a bunch of other historical stuff. including church history. Everything I've been openly looking at gives me a better understanding of what Master brought and also an historical perspective of the lessons, too.

Does Campbell mention anything like this?
Christ's chief disciple - John
Krishna's chief disciple - Arjuna
In Tibet, John is Argiun.

gardendiva
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(5/16/02 9:40 am)
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Re: King James version of the Bible
I'm reading a book called "Woman as Healer" that chronicles the role of women as healers from pre-history to the present. As many of you probably know, unimaginable numbers of women were tortured and murdered during the dark ages because of the Catholic church and it's fear of "witches." I won't go into that all now, because it's long and involved and is just another case of a power hungry organization exploiting it's members.

Anyway, here is a quote from a recent chapter I was reading:

"The witch activities added to the fears of King James IV (James I of England), who believed that plots and supernatural forces threatenend his life. It was he who commissioned the first translation of the Bible (The King James version) in which the word *witch* appeared, the most-quoted instance being Exodus 22:18: 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.' As early as 1584, Reginald Scot pointed out that the word *Kashaph*, which appears in severl places int the Old Testament, is best translated as 'poisoner,' and not 'witch.' His protests were ignored, and use of the word *witch* in the Book of God was further justification for murdering hundreds of thousands of women."

AumBoy
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(5/19/02 7:06 pm)
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Re: King James version of the Bible
"The Irish Fenians, whose rule was never to insult women, were said to have gone to hell for denying Christian anti-feminist doctrines." (This is a quote from the Women's Encyclopedia indicated in the thread "Christian history".)

KingDavid8
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(9/3/02 3:33 pm)
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You should all know that the list of comparisons between Jesus and Horus is a complete fabrication. Go to any web site on Egyptian mythology or get any book on the subject, and you'll see that absolutely NONE of the items on that list are part of the Horus myth. I even E-mailed Acharya S, the author of the book "The Christ Conspiracy" which appears to be the main book propogating this list, and asked him to name one book or web site where this version of the Horus story can be found, and he admitted that there weren't any (his excuse being that all existing versions are "biased" and "censored". Yeah, right). The people throwing this list around are counting on people being so unfamiliar with the Horus myth that they'll believe it on face value instead of actually researching the Horus myth.

David

Amidala of Coruscant
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(4/1/03 9:58 pm)
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Em hotep!

First of all, yes on the metaphysical sense, Horus (his correct name is Heru) and Osiris (his correct name is Asar) are one just as Christ says about his heavenly father, but Heru was not the one crucified. It was his father Asar and his father rose from the dead just like Jesus. We do know yes that Heru's birthday was on the 25th so in that way he was similar to Jesus. It was Heru's father Asar who was called King of Kings Lord of Lords Prince of Peace. The holy birth being announced and attended by 3 wise men also applied to his father.

I would like to see that video. Can you find out the name of it? I love anything Kemetian.

Senebty!

chrisparis
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(4/2/03 12:20 pm)
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Actually, Osiris wasn't crucified. He was torn into 14 pieces, and the pieces scattered up and down the length of Egypt. Isis gathered the pieces (all except one) and conceived Horus, who then fought and vanquished Set, Osiris' brother, who had murdered him to begin with...

Amidala of Coruscant
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(4/2/03 5:36 pm)
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You're right. I guess what I meant when I said "crucified" was killed by bad people just as Christ was and for the same reason. The bad people didn't like seeing good spiritual ideas spread. But do acknowledge that Asar did rise from the dead too just as Christ did. Also he went over to India, Bristish Isles, Europe, and Africa, and he taught yoga to the natives.

In Bengal they have a statue of Asar wearing the Egyptian crown of the South and Bengalis call this statue the Door of the South, only they don't know it's him or that he's actually from Egypt. The Bengalis forgot the name of him and just assume he's some kind of unamed raja that ruled Bengal. :) :)

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