Yogananda's extensive changes to Kriya

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username Registered User (3/8/02 12:55 pm) Reply	no subject Edited by: username at: 3/8/02 2:24:29 pm
caliyogi Registered User (3/8/02 5:45 pm) Reply	first kriya is all you need lahiri said the first kriya is all you need to reach the end. it's in Satyeswarananda biography of lahiri.
Ringbearer Unregistered User (3/8/02 6:33 pm) Reply	first kriya is all you need Thanks Caliyogi, Indeed, I have heard other Kriyabans from others lines who said the same thing. I have found what Yoganandaji gave is quite effective.
Lobo Registered User (3/8/02 7:14 pm) Reply	Re: USERNAME-KRIYA CHANGES Vale, I agree with everything you said, up until you started your attack on this board and the people who post here, as 'lacking intelligence' etc. A word on people skills. A true devotee doesn't engage in name-calling. That is a sure sign one's ego is involved. What people post regarding their own views should be honored, as they are obviously intelligent enough to formulate ideas and opinions. We are all brothers/sisters. Better to focus upon one's own flaws to advance spiritually. At least that's what I've read of the Great One's advise. Another short suggestion. Rather than leave this board why not stay, use some of the above principals to state your own views and opinions. I've found that one can grow from opening oneself up to others of differing views and opinions by refining those opinions and views he holds as to their truth. In other words if we have an opinion we should be willing to discuss it with those of opposing opinions, thereby to clarify and confirm. Best to you
Archangel Unregistered User (3/8/02 9:38 pm) Reply	Vale is back again I guess what I said in the other thread didn't hit him a bit. I have to agree with you this time to some of you arguments also, I have wonderful experiences with Kriya myself. You are very lucky to have such trust and devotion in Master and you get very fiery when somebody doubts him or question his integrity organization and teachings, but please do not make this blindness destroy you. What I have realized is that not all devotees have reached such great bond with Master as you, and as many others but this doesn’t mean that they are spiritually less then you or me. I woke up a long time ago from this illusion (as Master would say). Yes they doubt Master and some may be totally completely off, many here are new or still on the beginning of the spiritual path. Some have read or heard very little about Master and some are like Thomas or Peter. Thomas even after hanging around with Jesus for more then 4 years and seeing all those Miracles that he performed and all those spiritual powers that Jesus demonstrated in front of him, at the end he still had the courage to say: If I don’t touch him or see him with my eyes I will not believe it. If it was me I would have given him a knuckle sandwich instead of showing him the wounds. Even Peter had the courage to deny him, But Jesus was very sweet and patient, we should try to be the same, I think Master is very understanding also. Thomas did not believe or trust in Jesus as the others but this did not diminished his spiritual stature or made him or Peter lest worthy then the others. What they are trying to do here is prevent SRF to become another catholic church or have a Monopoly or control, but in the hand of who? This is what we are trying to find out. How about if they tell you: You said something bad about SRF we will not give you the Kriya. I have seen this happening, now the question is with what authority this people can deny me the Kriya? after all I said the truth and I love my Guru. (Questioning integrity and authority?) Many think the techniques have been modified and maybe they are just poor workmen blaming the tools. so what! it could be the truth but it is big mistake to to ignore constructive criticism because you close the doors the a positive growth Trying to be blind or close an eye about things did not help the Catholic church for centuries and you should know that, would you like to see SRF become the same? With the attitude that you have shown on this board you may think that you are so patriotic but in really one of the best candidate for making the SRF another Catholic Failure. How about this then: Would you go and get communion from a priest that is a child molester or would you rather go buy the bread and perform your communion at home in your room with devotion. Tell me what would be the difference? You might say: well I’ll go to another priest. But after you have found out that many priest are like that wouldn’t you doubt it? See why some people do not trust SRF? I think overall you are a great person but you need to mature a little more, and only accepting the reality of things will give you that maturity. Take the sugar and leave the sand like many people say here that is the right way to go, but trying to paint the sand white to make it look like sugar, you will fool some people for a while but you cannot fool people all of the time. ( I think Lincoln quoted something like that). Archangel
chrisparis Unregistered User (3/11/02 9:02 am) Reply	Communion The problem with what you said regarding the communion is in an essential misunderstanding of the apostolic succession. When a priest has been ordained by a bishop in apostolic succession, he receives the authority, or, if you prefer, the "empowerment" to perform the transubstantiation of the elements of the eucharist into the body and blood of Christ. St. Augustine refuted the idea that the ability to perform this transubstantiation was contingient on the worthiness of the celebrant. After all, when you really consider it, who is truly worthy of performing a miracle of that nature? No, it stems from the grace of God, who acts through imperfect individuals. Theologically, a person who has NOT received ordination from a bishop in the apostolic succession is not able to effect the transubstantiation of the elements, regardless of the purity of their lives. Why do you think texts on the Black Mass and black magic require a defrocked priest or the theft of a consecrated host. Conversly, a person of low moral nature, even a child abuser, if he or she is ordained, is in no way unable to celebrate the mass. This is a seperate issue from the justice which will be visited on that person for their crimes, and perhaps for the blasphemy of approaching the altar of God so unworthy. So, to answer the question in your post, if I want to receive communion, I will go to a priest who is in apostolic succession (always assuming I'm not one myself). The impurity of the person who is celebrating the mass is NOT able to defile the transubstantiated elements. They are beyond human reach. Sorry.
mangomoy Registered User (3/11/02 7:51 pm) Reply	Has SRF "edited" kriya techniques too? I feel confident that Master knew what he was doing in whatever changes he may have introduced to the kriya techniques. I'm not worried too much by his having made changes based on what he learned during his life in the west. He was/is a meditation Master! The big question bothering me is, has SRF then made later changes to the kriya techniques Master taught? Have the SRF editors tweaked the kriya techniques too?
willy1080 Registered User (3/11/02 8:58 pm) Reply	Re: Has SRF "edited" kriya techniques too? I think SRF has been absolutely faithful to what they have been taught . Whatever changes made , and there were many , were made by paramahansaji himself .
Ringbearer Unregistered User (3/12/02 5:32 pm) Reply	Re:Has SRF "edited" Kriya too? "I think SRF has been absolutely faithful to what they have been taught . Whatever changes made , and there were many , were made by Paramahansaji himself . " After a bit of research this has also been my own conclusion.
Archangel Unregistered User (3/20/02 7:41 pm) Reply	Complaing about kriya changes? Go to this site. www.fortunecity.com/victo...kashi.html
orion2002 Registered User (4/3/02 5:40 pm) Reply	Summary of the changes Summary of changes made by Yogananda Instructed Kriya to be practised in a chair Altered Mahamudra Did not teach Navi Kriya Did not teach Khecharimudra Did not teach Yonimudra Altered First Kriya Altered Omkar Kriyas Did not teach fifth and higher Omkar Kriyas Omkar Kriyas practiced without successful Khecharimudra Not part of Kriya Yoga Energizing techniques Hong Sa technique Om Technique Jyotimudra Kriya - Finding the True Path discusses these changes in detail in Chapter 6 - The Kriya Science Modifications. Edited by: orion2002 at: 4/8/02 3:04:39 pm
willy1080 Registered User (4/4/02 3:43 am) Reply	Re: Summary of the changes Are you Swami Satyeswar
username Registered User (4/4/02 6:41 am) Reply	Re: Summary of the changes All the above is true
chrisparis Registered User (4/5/02 2:25 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda's extensive changes to Kriya I'm not sure I understand. I have had several e-mail correspondences with Kashi. He has told me that the best place to learn really pure kriya technique was through SRF. He has never belittled the SRF or Yogananda in anything he has written to me. Not only that, but I have to say that this doesn't resemble the writing style I associate with Kashi. So what's up with the Kashi-phobic hostility, anyway?
orion2002 Registered User (4/8/02 2:58 pm) Reply	Re: first kriya is all you need caliyogi wrote "lahiri said the first kriya is all you need to reach the end. " Please note that the original reference and definition of First Kriya according to Lahiri Mahasay is found at the bottom of www.sanskritc.com/sayings.html Edited by: orion2002 at: 4/8/02 4:49:18 pm
tevaji Registered User (6/30/02 9:19 pm) Reply	Re: kriya paths *Quote:* Hariharianda's first kriya is a waste of money. Can You please explain, why is it a waste of money ? Namaste
srflongago Registered User (7/2/02 6:57 pm) Reply	Re: Summary of the changes A careful reading of the old East-West advertisements for Yogoda, published also in many other places, mentions the system that Yogananda uses as solely due to him. He does not mention Kriya at all. He never claimed to be a strict Kriya disciple of Lahiri or Sriyukteswar. He claimed quite the opposite, originality and uniqueness. He cannot be faulted about making a false claim. He thought he was modifying what he had learned so that it was suitable for the West. I will document these advertisements if requested.
siddhasiddhanta Registered User (9/5/02 12:29 am) Reply	Re: Yogananda's extensive changes to Kriya If you wish to see Khechari Mudra's MRI scan, visit www.siddhasiddhanta.com/khechari.html
Ringbearer7 Registered User (10/10/02 6:48 pm) Reply	Re: Yogananda's extensive changes to Kriya I don't think that any Kriya master would post this sort of thing to the web for the public to see. In any case, I stronlgy doubt that this is the full Khechari mudra as taught in the traditional Kriya yoga of Lahiri Mahasaya.
Ringbearer7 Registered User (10/10/02 7:01 pm) Reply	Re: Summary of the changes How do you know? From Satyeswarananda's books? I think he is a questionable resource at best.

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