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Ringbearer7
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(11/26/02 8:10 pm)
Reply 		Re: Where is this going?
"I am saying that there is no ground for accepting anyone's opinion of the divine origin of their experience or the experience of others."

I think there is no ground for accepting anyone's opinion that there is any experience whatsoever that does not have divine origins.

HA! ;-)


soulcircle
Registered User
(11/26/02 10:14 pm)
Reply 		since the quote is used twicw, let's see the original
All,
Quote:
with no more certainty that yogananda did in fact do this
than i know in certainty that a german did, though the german's book exists

so i felt i say that i know , with no more certainty that the german developed EE

in another place in the walrus board, this book is referred to..
i believe the same thread, or post, mentions that yogananda got advice, during authoring his autobiography, from Dr, Wentz
thank you

Ringbearer7
Registered User
(11/26/02 10:51 pm)
Reply 		Re: since the quote is used twicw, let's see the original
>though the german's book exists

Are you sure? I have never seen it. People mention it but I bet that all those people have only read about it in Satyeswananda's book - a poor source in my estimation. If this book exists then why hasn't anyone seen it?

Anyways, I don't see anything wrong with Yoganandaji refering to books on exercise when developing his EE - this is a reasonable and scientific approach. In any case, I doubt any book on exercise at that time would have discussed matters like drawing in prana at the medulla which in my opinion is the main innovation of the EE's.

>i cringed, realizing he knows with no more certainty that yogananda did in fact do this...

I think you cringe-o-meter is way too sensitive. If a comment like this from a monk can make you cringe then how could you possibly stand a week at convocation?

Devotee1970
Registered User
(11/26/02 11:47 pm)
Reply 		...
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Edited by: Devotee1970 at: 11/26/02 11:58:11 pm
Devotee1970
Registered User
(11/26/02 11:57 pm)
Reply 		Re: To Devotee 1970, Gitano, Chrisparis,
I really appreciate the vote of confidence, X, but I really need to go for now and let my head clear. Who knows what forever holds . . .

To quote a famous "dead master" (not Yogananda and not the most obvious yogi):

"Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
to rock my soul"

Grateful to you all . . .

Devotee1970


mangomoy
Registered User
(11/27/02 12:29 am)
Reply 		Soulcircle: question re: German book you told us about
Quote:
this is quoted from soulcircle's post above: "i believe the same thread, or post, mentions that yogananda got advice, during authoring his autobiography, from Dr, Wentz"



Soulcircle, are you referring to Dr. WY Evans-Wentz, the famous author of Milarepa & other books about Tibet, who lived late in his life at SRF Encinitas? Or is it some other Dr. Wentz? Also, do you know the title of the German book that you think Master took the EE's from, or anything else to identify it?

"I cannot live without books." (Thomas Jefferson)

Edited by: mangomoy at: 11/27/02 12:37:54 am
srflongago
Registered User
(11/27/02 2:54 am)
Reply 		Re: Where is this going?
Equally true.

redpurusha
Registered User
(11/27/02 7:58 am)
Reply 		Re: Where is this going?
Dear Chrisparis, why I come to this board is exactly because of the openness for discussion and opportunity to voice as you say. I know of only one other board "SRF devotee board" and it is too closed off, but gazillions? From reading the opening page of Walrus, where it states those using this board are loyal devotees of Yogananda, this indicates the original guidline set up by Walrus but he/she has since opened it up to those with opposing views, which is all well with me, I am comfortable with that.

So if party A says Yogananda was a womanizer, and has not evidence to back it up (the butler?), why is that a stronger case than say if you personally had a vision or saw God face to face. Plus, these are two different cases, the first one is for him being a "womanizer" and the second for someone having a real supernatural experience of him. I would say for that person who had the experience, there is little, if no doubt of its reality (not self delusion or wishful fulfillment as srflongago claims), yet for the person just hearing about it, I could see how he would not accept it or have a hard time accepting.

What did Yogananda do to be considered a "womanizer " anyway, are any of you guys saying he forced women to have sex with him -raped them- or hypnotized them with his charm, or what? and some butler saw all this?

I've been exploring the truth about SRF, thanks to this board and other places, and I want to continue to explore...



redpurusha
Registered User
(11/27/02 8:00 am)
Reply 		Re: Where is this going?
That was a good one Ringbearer7.

chrisparis
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(11/27/02 8:40 am)
Reply 		Re: Where is this going?
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Edited by: chrisparis at: 12/2/02 7:19:37 am
Ringbearer7
Registered User
(11/27/02 9:13 am)
Reply 		To chrisparis:
Hey, I would like to get more info about the allegations if you have any evidence beyond what was in NTLA or Professor Nerode's long removed website. I have enabled my private messaging so send me a message when you have time.

By the way, how do I check my private messages? :-)

redpurusha
Registered User
(11/27/02 9:14 am)
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I follow you chrisparis, IF that's the truth than Yogananda was a hypocrite (I meant to write this in my earlier post). I'll try to enable the pm or email.

Recently I called the Amrita foundation and talked with Pricsilla (the founder). She had a lot to say about Dhirananda and from reading some of the information she sent me, I see he was not only a Swami and a professor, but also married with children. This is confusing to me, because from what I understand a Swami is supposed to be celebate. Same thing goes for Kriyananda. If any of these guys teach celebacy and claim to the public to be celebate and are not than they are hypocrites and are deceiving the public. But on the other hand, if they admit to it and don't claim to be celebate monks, than that's their right to be sexually active.

Edited by: redpurusha at: 11/27/02 9:31:47 am
chrisparis
Registered User
(11/27/02 9:54 am)
Reply 		Re: Where is this going?
Dhirananda left religious life. Hey, it happens. Monks leave Orders all the time. Kriyananda also CLAIMS to be a Swami, but behaves quite differently. THis IS documented by the successful conclusion of a lawsuit. This is EXACTLY the same problem. Celibacy DOES NOT equal enlightenment. Never has. So WHY DO THESE PEOPLE FIND IT NECESSARY TO PRETEND TO BE SOMETHING THEY AREN'T TO SUPPORT THEIR CLAIM TO BE ENLIGHTENED?

srflongago
Registered User
(11/27/02 10:31 am)
Reply 		Re: Where is this going?
Dhirananda returned to Mt Washington after confronting Yogananda in 1929, left the organization, taught as a Swami for a couple of years independently outside SRF, then gave up the vows and the robes, never looked back, and became a prominent scientist. By then Yoga Organizations had lost all their appeal to him, as his 1935(?) Indian 4 page magazine article reveals.His article has probably already appeared somewhere on Walrus.

redpurusha
Registered User
(11/27/02 3:05 pm)
Reply 		Re: Where is this going?
Thanks chrisparis and srflongago for your input on Dhirananda. I am just learning about this man (and Nirode) and their relationship with Yogananda. You make a good point chrisparis -Celibacy doesn't make one enlightened- nor does not being celibate make it impossible to be realized, or be able to commune with God. You look at the other SRF gurus even, Larhiri and Yukteswar, they both had wives and children -they were sexually active at least some point in their lives, yet they are considered by many as modern-day saints. In regard to PY, I think chela2020 expressed very well the position if PY wasn't a perfect celibate monk (which I am still not convinced of)... or if he wasn't perfect in some other way. It is different in each case, especially of Yogananda, considerning he had claimed to be a celibate monk at the time of the allegations (mind you I'm not convinced of these allegations, we simply were not there, and I haven't heard of or seen a woman come forth to testify to nature of some sexual relationship with Yogananda).

" And to me it no longer matters whether Yogananda was perfect or not, or whether he was an avatar or not. What matters is that he had a love for God and expressed that love in such a way that I was drawn back to God..." -chela2020

srflongago
Registered User
(11/27/02 4:32 pm)
Reply 		Re: Where is this going?
A little explanation:
The Vedic householder tradition is first having a career, then raising a family, and only after this life experience becoming a Guru (even if one is already a master). Skipping any of these steps led to those without life experience trying to lead those with life experience. This was regarded as unsound.

Sankara was an exception, a celibate leader who founded temples everywhere.

Ramakrishna took a wife in a celibate marriage (he is an exception to every rule).

Aurobindo took a (French) wife.

Lahiri, his son, grandson, great grandson, are all from this householder tradition. Nerode was from this tradition as well. He was never a monastic. Dhirananda was from an industrialist family. He did not stay a monastic, he resigned.

Edited by: srflongago at: 11/27/02 5:16:09 pm
Ringbearer7
Registered User
(11/27/02 4:40 pm)
Reply 		To srflongago: Re: Where is this going?
"Dhirananda returned to Mt Washington after confronting Yogananda in 1929, left the organization, taught as a Swami for a couple of years independently outside SRF, then gave up the vows and the robes..."

I recall reading on Professor Nerode's old website that his mother and father would go on double dates with Dhirananda and one of his lady friends. Apparently this woman and Professor Nerode's mother were friends and each had their eyes on Sri Nerode and Dhirananda respectively. From what I remember this occured after Dhirananda had the split with Yoganandaji but while he was still still living in a house on Mt. Washington and teaching yoga. This would have been before Professor Nerode's parents were married (does anybody know the date? I believe there is an old news article with picture floating around with this info.) In any case, it couldn't have been long after 1930.

srflongago
Registered User
(11/27/02 5:31 pm)
Reply 		Re: To srflongago: Re: Where is this going?
Dhirananda left Mt Washington the day he got back from New York in spring of 1929. He took half the devotees with him right then and started up nearby. He and Nerode did not overlap living at the fellowship, Nerode according to east west came in June. So the double dating had to be while Dhirananda was running his own show away from mothercenter, after Nerode arrived, before January, 1931, when the Nerode's were married on ther Mt Washington grounds. Dhirananda's future wife moved away almost immediately to a midwest state, so that relationship clearly was leading nowhere at the time. He was an extreme straightarrow and had not given up the vows.

They got together again lafter he had given up the vows and after he had just about finished the Ph.D. and could get a job and could afford to marry. He proposed then. I'm out of information!

Ringbearer7
Registered User
(11/27/02 5:42 pm)
Reply 		Re: To srflongago: Re: Where is this going?
Thanks for the info!

username
Registered User
(11/27/02 6:40 pm)
Reply 		Re: To srflongago
I hope you are not implying that Lahiri's great grandson is a religious man!

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