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chela2020
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(1/4/03 11:48 am)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 5:04 pm
srflongago
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(1/4/03 1:15 pm)
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Chela2020:
I did know Yogananda and spend time with him, unlike most of you. My opinion was and is that he was a talented teacher, like Yukteswar and Lahiri before him, but was not perfect.

You would have preferred it if he were perfect, but that is neither here nor there.

I do not think his faults diminish his accomplishments.

I am tolerant of fault in him as in any human being. But I am not tolerant of unjustified claims for perfection. What more is there to say?

I repeat that I believe that what counts is the teachings, not any particular personality, be it Yogananda, Yukteswar, Dhirananda, Nerode. Lahiri, Ramakrishna, or Aurobindo. None should be emphasized above the teachings, which are the product of thousands of years of thought and devotion.

Perhaps all I am doing is deemphasizing the messengers and emphasizing the message.

Edited by: srflongago at: 1/4/03 1:23:39 pm
chela2020
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(1/4/03 3:53 pm)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 5:05 pm
wholetruth
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(1/4/03 8:19 pm)
Reply 		Re: Are the teachings bad?
Chela2020,

So far you haven't divulged to us the source of your inner knowledge concerning Yogananda.

chela2020
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(1/5/03 4:25 am)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 5:06 pm
username
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(1/5/03 6:37 am)
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even if yogananda wasn't asking for money for himself, there is no question about it, Yogananda lived like a prince - he went everywhere first class - lived at an estate overlooking the ocean - And he never said : we should sell this property to give free yoga training to the masses

chela2020
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(1/5/03 8:51 am)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 5:07 pm
srflongago
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(1/5/03 9:01 am)
Reply 		Re: Are the teachings bad?
I am neither defending nor deploring Yogananda going first class, just adding in what I know to be accurate.

Yogananda said early, and repeatedly, that in the US, unlike India, people do not pay any attention to your ideas or teachings unless you look prosperous and successful.

At the time in India looking like a mendicant beggar or the poorest relation was just fine. He also said that in India free will offerings come to holy men automatically, but that in the US, you have to charge, or they don't believe what you say is valuable. If you don't charge, they conclude there was no value and simply thank you and leave.

This is still true; Shibendu wants to continue his great grandfather's tradition and give lessons and relie on good will offerings. He tried that here this year, and indeed they thanked him and left without contributing to the support of the enterprise. I have found this to be uniformly true for everyone over the years, and have found Yogananda's observations to be correct.

The situation in India is like that in the States in all the big cities, the other tradition only survives out in the villages. Trying to adapt the Message to the West to the different conditions in the West requires continuous rethinking, not ritual repetition.

We now have what passes for Yoga everywhere in stress reduction classes and even Jazz exercise classes. This is not bad, it is just not what anybody had in mind.

So living high was in his mind how you make yourself worthwhile in the eyes of prospective students.

GregsBrother
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(1/5/03 10:10 am)
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Yogananda did say he had to switch to silk robes in America because cotton looked too poor, and had to switch back when he was in India.

My perspective is far removed from the actual, events, people, and places of Yogananda's life. Still, I dont see the "luxury" some say he lived in. The properties are nice, but the accomodations seemed modest.

The greatest luxury he enjoyed ( as far as I can tell) was having devotees wait on him hand and foot.

And I'm not saying thats good or bad; I'm just saying it.




chela2020
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(1/5/03 11:04 am)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 5:08 pm
wholetruth
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(1/5/03 6:46 pm)
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Lynn built the home in Encinitas as much for himself as for Yogananda, as he was interested in having a winter home in a warm climate where he could spend a lot of time outdoors and with the windows open.

GregsBrother
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(1/5/03 8:34 pm)
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Chela2020-

My post was a response to the idea that Yogananda went "first class."
(read it again!)

My post attempted to refute that idea. I don't think he did live in excess "luxury".

Since I am always trying to be fair, I acknowledged that Yogananda recieved the luxury of personal service from
devotees. But I do not think he over indulged in luxuries.

I was supporting Guruji in my previous post. You missed my point 180 degrees!















Edited by: GregsBrother at: 1/5/03 8:39:43 pm
chela2020
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(1/6/03 3:32 am)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 1/7/03 6:09:51 am
kaivalyanandam
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(1/6/03 5:30 am)
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srflongago babu,

are the teachings the same, for monastics and lay members?
which Kriya, traditional or SRF had Yoganandaji taught to his first disciples, for example Dr. Lewis?
Isn't there an oral tradition related to Traditional Kriya?
These questions arised in my mind after comparing original AOY to current edition?
Would Swami Pranabanda Paramahansa entered mahasamadhi performing SRF 2nd Kriya?

soulcircle
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(1/7/03 2:31 am)
Reply 		are they willing for you to share their emails
Chela 2020,

Quote:
Then to become steeped in the anti-Yogananda propagananda and to be deeply hurt by it, but to not even listen to enlightened beings who were trying to tell me otherwise, because I believed so much in these stories about him, because I trusted these other people more than I trusted any enlightened being.


are you referring to the swami across from people's park in berkeley, ca?
hmmmm.....enlightened beings
i can talk to the swami in berkeley

are other enlightened beings who you are shooting the breeze with, willing for you to share their emails with me?

as far as the message/the goddess.....all individuals are dreams, contructs, there is one....the goddess...as we are all one with oneness, there is neither you nor me, neither ignorance or enlightment

people have public personas, people are us too
there is no need to have self-loathing at our lack of enlightenment, or awe at someone's pretense at enlightment

the same sun that rises this morn....sets this eve
the same coin shows ignorance on the flipside of enlightment

goddess is the love and what we are
we may follow for awhile, until it is time to lead
when we lead, we pray that we love..........ourselves

circle

Edited by: soulcircle at: 1/7/03 2:37:19 am
soulcircle
Registered User
(1/7/03 2:57 am)
Reply 		Chela2020..Erskines.......another subject....inner knowledge
Chela2020,

thank goodness for the erskines
i trust them

_________________

hmmmmm... "I just happen to have had many talks with Ben's wife, and when I questioned her further, which means, got her off her rehearsed story, I saw through her. Don't get me wrong, I still like her, but I don't trust her."

_________________

you speak of inner knowledge, that doesn't come from you
hmmmmmmm

_________________

do you tire of discussion?
you say that is all you have to say on this subject...
hmmmmmmm

i trust faye wright, too
not so sure that i trust reverend mother sri daya mata

you are my friend Chela2020
just not sure that dead people, people far removed from our lives, have much bearing on this moment which is all we have

in fact not sure that anything but, direct stories about your experiences, and others stories and mine, are all that instructive

the passing on of second hand accounts, the claims of enlighted people knowing gossip (any criticism of yogananda seems collected all together in this term "gossip") is false is at all instructive

and to be direct, the "disciples" whose deepest love for yogananda can be harmed..........
to be direct, i was initiated after '52 by a monastic at that ceremony and not, as was suggested by the monastic "by yogananda"

circle

chela2020
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(1/7/03 5:50 am)
Reply 		Re: are they willing for you to share their emails
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 5:09 pm
soulcircle
Registered User
(1/7/03 6:24 am)
Reply 		chela 2020, i'll take that as a no
chela2020,

are you able to put me in touch with enlightened beings who put to rest "the gossip" about yogananda?

am i to take it that your answer is no?

circle

wholetruth
Registered User
(1/7/03 7:23 am)
Reply 		Re: are they willing for you to share their emails
Chela2020:

From where do you get the information that Sri Nerode (the father) "was terribly wrong" about Yogananda and "had admitted so in later years?" If the Flynn letter is your only source, I think we can safely ignore it.

Once again I see you are deleting your posts. Are your convictions really that weak? So much of what you have said has made a lot of sense. Have you changed your mind, or is it that you can't stand any disagreement or questioning? No one here is attempting to state ULTIMATE TRUTH (which is beyond words, language, and the human mind). I thought we were simply discussing issues that pertain to Yogananda and SRF.

Edited by: wholetruth at: 1/7/03 7:34:57 am
chela2020
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(1/7/03 8:12 am)
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Edited by: chela2020 at: 7/1/03 5:10 pm
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