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gardendiva
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(6/5/02 8:13 am)
Reply 		Re: Some further thoughts on thinking…
"P.S. Excuse me if some of the items seem “political” in nature. I’m re-educating myself and am broadening my understanding of historic and current events. Some things I find have applicability to SRF and discussions on the Walrus and in this thread on Thinking. I feel that understanding world events may allows greater understanding of what is happening with SRF and vice versa. (Re-read the quote from Buddha above. ) "

When I think of life in general, I believe every aspect of it is spiritual. AumBoy, your points are extremely valid and I don't see the fact that they are specifically "political" in nature in any way taking away from their spiritual meaning. Too often people on a path think that they can hide from the world or that being part of the world is in some way inappropriate for their evolution. We can learn so much from what is around us and it can be an invaluable part of our sadhana. The challenge is to become "aware."

soulcircle
Registered User
(6/5/02 5:02 pm)
Reply 		the purpose of life, the purpose of community walrus
Gardendiva

Always a treasure to hear one speak from their center.

____________________________
~~speaking from my heart

Your sentiments and thoughts, and your support of Aumboy's posting ARE the purpose of this board and of life.

_____________________________

At the feet of guru "awareness" gardendiva.

soulcircle

Should Free
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(6/8/02 12:00 am)
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ezSupporter
 To Aumboy
Excellent post Aumboy

You say

“Fearlessness is mentioned first because it is the impregnable rock on which the house of spiritual life must be erected.” This is an inner as well as an outer conflict. Rivero states above that when people don’t want to know about themselves, they will not look deeply at issues surrounding them because the searchlight will end up coming home to themselves.

The Walrus and this whole process with SRF is helping us to develop exactly that "fearlessness." Inside the organization we lived in fear. Why? Very simple, if you are full of internalized "shoulds" you are walking on eggs all the time. You are constantly monitoring yourself to do not step out of the shoulds. In other words you are in constant fear -- subtle perhaps but very real -- of disobeying, making mistakes, doing the wrong thing, not doing "the write thing to do, when you ought to do it" (Daya Ma). failing to please the Guru, failing to please God, failing to please SRF, failing to meditate enough, and the energization exercises, and the mahamudras, and what about the prayer at the beginning and that at the end, and why am I not feeling devotion, and why I'm not thankful to God and Guru for their wonderufl teachings that I have been blessed to recieve after a zillion of incarnation craving for them, and on and on. It is endless, because the shoulds of SRF path are endless. So, the shoulds kept us in constant fear, subconscious but very painful anyway.

I found a few days ago the following thought in a book by Eckhart Tolle. As I read it I had a deep sight of relief:

"All you need to do [to attain enlightenment] is accept this moment fully. You are then at ease in the here and now and at ease with yourself."

Notice that there is only one real "should" in such approach to God, instead of a zillion shoulds. But most amazing, that should is not really a should either. Because if we dislike already the external situation we are in, and we can't move into acceptance, we can work at accepting our "internal situation [thoughts and feelings], our frustration and our dislike. And then something magic happens, because as Tolle explains further in his writtings "whatever you accept fully will lead you to peace." So, that should does not expect that you will change anything at all -- least yourself.





redpurusha
Registered User
(6/12/02 10:20 am)
Reply 		Re: To Aumboy
"Live each moment completely and the future will take care of itself." -from the teachings of P. Yogananda.

Should Free
Registered User
(6/12/02 10:51 pm)
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ezSupporter
 BUT HOW....
Master's thought about the present is wonderful. However, very difficult to crack -- to really understand it. For years I was trying to understand this: "how do I live each moment completely? It is only when you incorporate the thought of ACCEPTANCE OF THE MOMENT that you can do that. Otherwise, Master thought becomes just one more SHOULD -- "you SHOULD live each moment completely" But how????? Furthermore, becuse of the pervasive ignorance in the monastics about acceptance and surrender, I never heard from them the solution to my question.

Edited by: Should Free at: 6/12/02 10:53:29 pm
Daya Yama
Registered User
(7/2/02 7:07 am)
Reply 		Yesudian and his yoga exercises
Hi, soulcircle, I know something related to what you ask about:

There is a yoga classic by Selvarajan Yesudian and Elizabeth Haich, Sport Und Yoga. 34th edition. Drei Eichen Verlag (somewhere in Germany) (ISBN 3-7699-0590)

This book has been translated into 21 langauges and has sold over 4 million copies.

Selvarajan Yesudian was an Indian boy who was taken well care of by a guru, and sent by him to Europe to teach yoga - which he did.

In the book he goes into training exercised that reminds me of Yogananda's Energization Exercises. I had read this book before I came to SRF long ago, and noted how much alike many exercises and principles were.

One may order the book from Drei Eichen Verlag here:
www.drei-eichen.de

German Amazon.com.
www.amazon.de/exec/obidos...32-8805359

Amazon.com
www.amazon.de/exec/obidos...32-8805359

There is a hardcover and paperback edition. They may be hard to get in English, though. The paperback was published by Unwin Hyman; ISBN: 0041490339; in June 1978, and the hardcover version by HarperCollins - ISBN: 0060075902 - in January 1954.

The best wishes,

Daya Yama

Pig Ma
Registered User
(7/2/02 10:08 pm)
Reply 		Re: Yesudian and his yoga exercises
Daya Yama,

Elizabeth Haich's book, "Initiation" was my wake up book. I went from being totally uninterested in God, to feeling what else really matters. My brother-in-law, who had given me the book, said, "If you like this book, you'll really like "Autobiography of a Yogi".

I liked how there were many parallels to Initiation in the AY. I decided to go ahead and give these teachings a try, and I have no regrets.

redpurusha
Registered User
(7/3/02 11:26 am)
Reply 		Re: Yesudian and his yoga exercises
Hi, you say you came to know of Drei Eichen Verlag and his version of the engergization techniques before you found Yogananda... is it possible that he borrowed or studied Yogananda's teachings some time before in his life?

Daya Yama
Registered User
(7/4/02 4:01 am)
Reply 		Re: Yesudian and his yoga exercises
Hi,

I did not get any impression of a connection between PY's yogoda (recharging) exercises and S. Yesudian's exercises. But as far as I can recall, there is nothing specific about such possible links in the book.

It's been many years since I read it, so . . . maybe someone else can tell. I may do a little detective work, though. I will.

Daya Yama

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